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TELECOM Digest     Mon, 20 Feb 95 02:07:00 CST    Volume 15 : Issue
107

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A.
Townson

    Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC (Mike Simos)
    Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC (Michael D. Maxfield)
    Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC (Clarence Dold)
    Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC (Tony Pelliccio)
    Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC (Charles Manson)
    Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC (John Lundgren)
    Re: A Strange Man Calls Me Ahout 500 ([e-mail])
    Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500 (Louis Judice)
    Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500 (Mitch Weiss)
    Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500 (Elizabeth Cashman)
    Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500 (Bob Niland)
    Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500 (Mike Pollock)
    Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500 (Gary Novoseilski)
    Re: What is Loop Start? (R.J. Welsh)
    Re: What is Loop Start? (John Nagle)
    Re: What is Loop Start? (Matt Noah)
    Re: Telstra (Australia) Information Wanted (Peter Brace)
    Re: Telstra (Australia) Information Wanted (Antoineta D. Peneva)
    Re: The Philosophy of CallerID (John Lundgren)

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Simos)
Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC
Date: 18 Feb 1995 15:17:06 -0500
Organization: Internex Online (io.org) Data: 416-363-4151  Voice: 416-
363-8676


In article <[e-mail]>, Charlie Mingo
<[e-mail]>
wrote:

> According to yesterday's {New York Times}, Mitnick left voice mail
for
> Shimomura during the original Christmas break-in, and Shimomura
> subsequently posted sound-files of these messages on the net.

> Does anyone know where those sound files might be found?

ftp.sdsc.edu /pub/security/sounds


Mike

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From: [e-mail] (The R R M Tweek)
Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC
Date: 18 Feb 1995 11:36:56 -0800
Organization: O.A.P.C.E.  Organization Against Politically Correct
Etiquette


[e-mail] (Charlie Mingo) writes:

> According to yesterday's {New York Times}, Mitnick left voice mail
for
> Shimomura during the original Christmas break-in, and Shimomura
> subsequently posted sound-files of these messages on the net.

ftp://ftp/sdsc.edu/pub/security/sounds/tweedle-dee.au
ftp://ftp/sdsc.edu/pub/security/sounds/tweedle-dum.au

I also read that *someone* intends to consider posting a sound file of
an
interview with Mitnick in prison.  The posting I read was unattributed
so I
have no idea who "someone" is.


[e-mail]  [e-mail]   WW4Net-1@11551  DoD #MCMLX
N6QYA
**** Regarding the Internet><WWIVNet gateway and other assorted stuff:
****
http://www.io.com/user/tweek/     [e-mail]      IM: Michael D.
Maxfield

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From: Clarence Dold <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC
Date: 18 Feb 1995 20:35:13 GMT
Organization: a2i network


> he is found guilty, of course. I wonder how long he will be in
prison
> before he has his own Internet connection set up on the sly?   PAT]

I find it interesting that he is actually prevented from using a
telephone,
even for voice calls, while in jail.

He used a cellular phone for his "dialin", so there would be no
endloop to
trace, although eventually cellular triangulation was used to locate
him.
One more delay point, but only a good one if he moved occasionally,
which he
did not.

My wife expressed the typical layman's amazement at the ability to do
some of these things, but it is basically a violation of trust.  Telco
and Internet can only be broken because they are easy to use.  He is
slime.  He is sleaze. Although I can't justify wanting to see him
hang, I certainly hope he is prevented from touching a telephone for
quite a long while.  At least he has proven himself beyond trust as an
"analyst".  He won't be landing a fat job protecting us from himself
;-(


Clarence A Dold - [e-mail]
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The last word I got on his telephone
call
privileges was that at his request in court last week, he was granted
permission to use the phone to call three people only:  his attorney,
his
mother and his grandmother. The magistrate ordered prison officials to
allow Mitnick to make a 'reasonable number of calls when he wishes to
do
so' to those three persons, whose telephone numbers are part of the
order.
Prison officials are required to (1) establish the connection to those
numbers -- not allow Mitnick to do it; and (2) to 'periodically in the
course of his conversations on the phone' monitor the line, listening
to
insure no 'computer or modem noises' are heard. In order that Mitnick
can
have his right to speak confidentially with his attorney, they must
tell
him when they wish to listen on the line for a few seconds at a time
so
that he and his attorney can remain silent during that interval if he
wishes to do so. The court further admonished grandma not to use call-
forwarding, three-way calling or any other 'extension of the
connection'
when speaking to Kevin; likewise his mother was admonished. I'm afraid
this time its looking pretty grim for Kevin; if he gets out of this
with
another period of probation instead of a long time in prison, my
advice
would be he'd better start blowing his nose with a silk handkerchief.
PAT]

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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC
Date: 18 Feb 1995 17:54:45 GMT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, RI USA


In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Charlie
Mingo)
wrote:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I'll tell you this, Shimomura got
into

{snip}

> Its good to see Mitnick captured. I hope they hang him, if he is
found
> guilty, of course. I wonder how long he will be in prison before he
has
> his own Internet connection set up on the sly?   PAT]

A little Draconian aren't you Pat? In any case I'm sure that with
proper supervision Mr. Mitnick would make a wonderful addition to the
staff at NSA.


Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR, VE ARRL/W5YI Tel. [phone]
Box 1908, Providence, RI 02912      Fax. [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Charles Manson)
Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC
Date: 18 Feb 1995 21:57:27 -0500
Organization: PSS InterNet Services, InterNet in Fl 904 253 7100


Dear ole Kevin, the unluckest guy I've ever known. He will probably
get around 30 years of prison, but will probably get out in about five
years. I actually wish he would make bail; he would definitly skip the
country, or attempt it. He is a brilliant person, but took things to
extremes and didn't get on with his life. I hope the best for him.


CM


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There is no possibility of making bail
since the court refused to set bail. Actually, in most federal courts
it seems, things go one of two ways: either you are denied bail and
held pending trial, or you are released on your own 'recognizance', or
admission of the court's jurisdiction. Federal courts hardly ever ask
for money as bond; not the way the state courts do. They can, but they
seem to figure either you are not a danger to the community and smart
enough to stick around (after all, where would you run to?) or you are
likely to be a hassle so they keep you. If you have a family to
support,
employment and an employer who is *knowlegeable of the circumstances
but
willing to keep you on and help you* then most federal courts just let
you go pending trial, and you report to a parole/probation officer in
the meantime.  PAT]

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From: [e-mail] (John Lundgren)
Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick Captured in Raleigh, NC
Date: 18 Feb 1995 09:55:14 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell Knowledge Network


I would like to see him get the same treatment that the guy in the
'got
milk?' commercial gets.

How long are his arms?  Three feet or so?  Put a PC with a modem on a
table outside his cell, about a meter or so away from the bars.  Of
course, there would be absolutely nothing in the cell to let him
extend his reach.

He would be saying, "Is this what Hell is like?"


John Lundgren - Elec Tech - Info Tech Svcs
Rancho Santiago Community College District
17th St. at Bristol \ Santa Ana, CA 92706
[e-mail]\[e-mail]

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Subject: Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500
From: [e-mail] (THE PILOT)
Date: 19 Feb 95 18:56:48 MST
Reply-To: [e-mail]


Just curious for a follow up story on this.  PAT promised in a TELECOM
Digest a follow up story to the 'retired cab driver in NY'.

So who was that guy??


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yeah, who was that masked man, anyway?
PAT]

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From: [e-mail] (Louis Judice)
Subject: Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500
Date: 19 Feb 1995 18:41:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard


Patrick,

Sounds like something out of the "X-Files" ...

Remember, Trust No One!    ;)


/ljj


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Especially not Kevin Mitnick.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Mitch Weiss)
Subject: Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 20:38:00


> This happened several days ago. You may remember we had an article
here
> listing the prefixes assigned in 500 service, and the telcos they
were

Hmmmm.  Sounds mighty fishy.  I don't have a clue who he would be.
CIA?
FBI?  AT&T??

Anyway, be sure to tell us when you find out!


Mitchell Weiss     [e-mail]


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I like the way you lumped those three
all together in the same example: CIA, FBI, AT&T ...   PAT]

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Elizabeth Cashman)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:38:53 -0800
Subject: Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500


In comp.dcom.telecom you write:

> This happened several days ago. You may remember we had an article
here
> listing the prefixes assigned in 500 service, and the telcos they
were
> assigned to. A day or two after that article appeared, I got a note
from
> the sysadmin here saying he had received a call from someone who
wanted
> to know 'how to get in touch with TELECOM Digest'. Normally any
inquiries

   [snip snip]

I'll make this short because you get a lot of mail.  Yep, this smells.
I look forward to your story about this mole in comp.dcom.telecom.


Elizabeth Cashman === [e-mail] === (Portland, OR)
(one private line, no extras, one 2400b modem on a chair)

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Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:01:11 -0700
From: Bob Niland <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500
Organization: Colorado SuperNet
Reply-To: [e-mail]


In article <[e-mail]> TELECOM Digest Editor wrote:

> He told me he was located in Brooklyn, New York, on Avenue U near
> Flatbush Avenue. He had gone to his local library to see what the

> I'd like his name and address please, if possible. He wouldn't tell
me
> himself.

This sounds suspiciously like a character named "G. Riley", a self-
proclaimed "psychic detective", buddy of Yuri Geller, and who claims
to be ex-NYPD.  He was the kill-file poster child in sci.skeptic in
years past, and since he was long ago added to my kill file, I have no
idea if he still lurks on the net.

If so, whatever he is up to, it is unlikely to be of service to you.


Regards,                   1001-A East Harmony Road
Bob Niland                 Suite 503
Internet:  [e-mail]     Fort Collins, Colorado  80525   USA

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Mike Pollock)
Subject: Re: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500
Date: 19 Feb 1995 14:08:37 -0500
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC


Pat,

Yes!  I have the oddest feeling that I know who this guy is ... sort
of.

Emmanuel Goldstein, of 2600 magazine, does a weekly telephone-oriented
radio show on WBAI in New York every Wednesday at 10pm.  A few months
back the topic turned to exchange names (MUrray Hill, LAckawanna,
DEcatur, etc.).  Within minutes, this extremely literate sounding guy
called in and started rattling off dozens of exchange names and their
histories.

In the following weeks this guy has called with other telephone
related
trivia, and with every call he displays an almost unnerving amount of
both
knowledge and curiousity about things telephonic.  I believe he's
mentioned
that he has a 700 number, and/or an 800 number, and/or a 500 number.
I also recall that he mentioned he lives in Brooklyn!

·

Without getting too dramatic, whenever I hear him call I get an almost
twilight zone-feeling of eerieness about him.  I wouldn't be at all
surprised
if this was the guy.

Call WBAI in New York (call directory assistance for the number)
Wednesday
nights at 10p Eastern and maybe Emmanuel can point you in the right
direction, or even get the guy to call.

I hope that helps, but I'm not sure if I hope I'm right -- or wrong.

Please keep me posted.


Mike


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: When I talked to this fellow he was
quite
literate; and everything I challenged him on (how he knew about a site
in
California; how he knew the way to contact site admins here) he had an
answer for. I sort of tested him also on his knowledge of his
immediate
neighborhood from a very large, detailed map I have of
Brooklyn/Queens.
He has to be around there; he knew much more than even a typical
resident
on things like the *exact* boundary between Brooklyn and Queens. He
could
say without hesitation that the boundary runs down the middle of the
Newtown River (Creek?) and 'when you get to Flushing and Metropolitan
Avenues, at the Onderdonk House then a few yards southwest of there
ends Queens and starts Brooklyn then it runs southeast on the
southwest
side of the street for several blocks and where Myrtle Avenue crosses
the boundary between Brooklyn and Queens the boundary dips to the
southwest
and runs a half block down Myrtle Street then it goes southeast again
until it reaches Bushwick and Highland Boulevard then it turns and
goes
northeast on the north side of Highland, more or less through the
middle
of Highland Park then when that line going straight northeast reaches
the southwest corner of the Forest Park Golf Club it then drops and
goes
almost straight south crossing Jamaica Avenue at that point and Etna
Street
then a couple blocks later, Atlantic Avenue. As soon as it crosses
Atlantic
Avenue it runs northeast on the south side of Atlantic Avenue for
about
a block then it goes southeast again and crosses Conduit Boulevard at
the intersection of Pitkin Avenue and a couple blocks later it reaches
Linden Boulevard where it turns and runs almost straight east for a
couple
blocks with one side of Linden in Brooklyn and the other side in
Queens.
Then just before Linden reaches Conduit it turns south/southeast again
for half a mile, southwest for half a mile, south for a couple blocks,
southwest for a couple more blocks then it makes a sharp angle going
southeast for about a block and crosses Shore Parkway then out into
the
water ... '   all that in more or less one long sentence.

But even though at one point he said to me he was alone there, this
was
not true: Playing along with him a bit further, I remarked that he
must
be in the 77th police district ... that rotten hell hole that ten
years
ago had to be totally cleaned out with a special prosecutor appointed
to
investigate the police, etc. (I know the 77th is north of him a few
miles, up in Bed-Stuy.) He thinks for a minute and I hear him ask
someone
'is this the 77th police district' and a second or two later he is
back
and says no it is not. (I forget what number he said it was.) I did
not
comment on the fact that he spoke to someone else after earlier
telling
me no one was there ... that he was home alone just doing some
research.
I suppose a retired cab driver in Brooklyn would know every inch of
the
boundary line with Queens, what streets it ran down, etc.  I still
don't
have an actual name, but I am sure by now EG has seen this and
probably
noted if it is the same person or not.   PAT]


------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Organization: Small Business Administration
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 95 05:18:41 -0400
Subject: A Strange Man Calls Me About 500
Reply-to: [e-mail]


> He told me he was located in Brooklyn, New York, on Avenue U near
> Flatbush Avenue. He had gone to his local library to see what the
> reference librarian could tell him. The librarian gave him a few
sources
> for telecom information and he 'decided' to try this Digest.

I'd be willing to bet that this guy was one of the listeners to an FM
radio show called "Off the Hook" which is broadcast Wednesdays from 10
to 11 pm over listener-sponsored WBAI in New York City on 99.5 MHz.

The show is hosted and produced by "Emanuel Goldstein," publisher of
2600 Magazine, and the alt.2600 newsgroup, and is co-hosted by "Phibre
Optik," that is except during the year he was in the federal pokey for
a hacking-related offense.

Actually, that's not altogether true. Phibre did manage to co-host
several shows even *while* he was in the federal pokey. Yes, prison
authorities do keep an approved list of numbers each inmate is
permitted to dial on the prison COCOTs, and no they probably would
*not* have approved WBAI's studio number. But they do not seem to have
ever heard of a feature called Call Forwarding.  But I digress ...

"Off the Hook" did a segment on 500 numbers on the show one night,
right around the time the list was published (late in Volume 14) and
mentioned the list, and the TELECOM Digest issue by number, on the
air. They gave the mit.edu newsgroup address as well.

The show takes listener phone calls during roughly the second half
hour, and one regular caller is a gent who says he's from Brooklyn,
near Flatbush Avenue. Usually (and mysteriously) he's more often than
not the first caller on the line each week, independent of which line
they answer first.

It's an admitted long-shot, but this may just be your guy. If it is,
then from the sound of him he's a garden variety phone phreak or
telecom junkie with time on his hands. As such, he's likely to know
all about ANI, NPA 700, Belcore, and similar things the general public
has never heard of, since they're common topics of conversation on the
show. He's also likely to have a 700 number, a half dozen 800 numbers
(some of them even his <grin>) but may be quite truthful when he says
he knows little about computers.

If he gets to be first in line for the call-in segment the way I
suspect
he does, he'd need seven to ten POTS lines at his house, and some
phones
with redial buttons, since NYNEX now times out any don't-answer calls
after
25 rings or so.

If this is your guy, or if he fits this general pattern, then he's
probably harmless enough.  (Until he learns enough about the Internet
to be dangerous.)


Regards,

GaryN   GPN Consulting

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (RJ WELSH)
Subject: Re: What is Loop Start?
Date: 19 Feb 1995 23:38:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom


In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul
Garfield) writes:

> Long ago I remember terms like loop start and ground start as
> different protocols for handling signaling bits on a T1 line
(although
> I didn't know the details).  Recently I've seen the following terms
> applied to ANALOG lines: loop start, ground start, wink start, earth
> recall.  What do these mean?  I always thought all analog lines were
> the same.

These terms are most certainly NOT relative to T1 lines!!!  Ther refer
to analog telephone line "start" signals that indicate to the CO
(central office) that an off-hook condition exists and dial tone
services are required.

Loop start means that both battery and ground leads are present and
that ground, therefore, is supplied by the CO.  Ground start means
that a local (local to the off-hook instrument) ground is used and
represents a "single-lead" subscriber line.  Ground start lines were
and are not often used since the ground resistance between the
subscriber and the CO is unpredictable at best and conductor pairs
(rather than single copper wires) have been in use for a long time
now.  Wink start indicates a reversal of battery and ground, typically
for less than 500 milliseconds, and is used for TRUNK, not LINE
signalling.  I won't waste bandwith correcting misconceptions about
T1: buy a little book and read it.

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: What is Loop Start?
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700
guest)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:08:26 GMT


[e-mail] (Paul Garfield) writes:

> Long ago I remember terms like loop start and ground start as
> different protocols for handling signaling bits on a T1 line
(although
> I didn't know the details).  Recently I've seen the following terms
> applied to ANALOG lines: loop start, ground start, wink start, earth
> recall.  What do these mean?  I always thought all analog lines were
> the same.

     On normal analog lines, going off-hook can indicate either an
intent to originate a call or to answer one.  When a subscriber goes
off-hook with intent to originate but actually answers an incoming
call, the situation called "glare" has occured.  This is a big problem
for heavily-used lines used for both incoming and outgoing calls,
especially when the lines are terminated in a PBX, fax, or modem.

     So there needs to be some way to distinguish off-hook for
originate from off-hook for answer, and that's what "ground start" is
about.  One lead is grounded at off-hook time to make the distinction.

     Ground start is usually used for PBX lines, but any line can be
configured as ground start with most modern CO switches.  Some modems
(not many) will interface to a ground start line.  Callback security
devices need a ground start line to prevent glare-type spoofing.


John Nagle

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Matt Noah)
Subject: Re: What is Loop Start?
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 06:29:09 GMT


[e-mail] (Paul Garfield) wrote:

> Long ago I remember terms like loop start and ground start as
> different protocols for handling signaling bits on a T1 line
(although
> I didn't know the details).  Recently I've seen the following terms
> applied to ANALOG lines: loop start, ground start, wink start, earth
> recall.  What do these mean?  I always thought all analog lines were
> the same.

These are ANALOG line signaling schemes.  Loop Start lines are those
associated almost exclusively with your POTS phone service at home.
These same lines may carry additional CO features.  The term Loop
originates, I believe, from the fact that when a phone set went
off-hook, a loop current flowed, signaling a line seizure to the CO.
Ground Start lines were the old pay-phone style lines and analog
CO-PBX signling lines.  Ground Start was developed, I believe, to
solve the problem of GLARE on phone lines.  Wink Start has meaning
both for E&M and Loop/Ground Start signaling.  In basic terms, a
"wink" is generated when the attached equipment is ready to accept
dial digits.  If a wink does not appear, there are no dial registers
available to accept your digits!  It sounds as if you need a good book
on signaling.  I suggest a trip to your local technical bookstore.


Matt Noah

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Peter Brace)
Subject: Re: Telstra (Australia) Information Wanted
Date: 18 Feb 1995 23:57:07 +1100
Organization: DIALix Services, Melbourne, Australia.


Last year:

Figures are $A

Before tax profit 2.5B
After tax 1.7B
Revenue 13.3B
Spent on network capital investment 1.9B
Contributes 2.1% of GNP (7.85B)
65,000 employees
8.8million phone services
36million calls/day


Why do you ask?

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Antoineta D. Peneva)
Subject: Re: Telstra (Australia) Information Wanted
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 16:38:56 -0600
Organization: Kellogg Graduate School of Management


In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (
ANTHONY
SPIERINGS) wrote:

> For stocks, prognosis etc, perhaps you were thinking of OPTUS the
> introduced competion.

Some valuation information on Optus can be gleaned via the annual
report
of Optus shareholders; eg Mayne Nickless.

Also:

Telecom supplies documentation which is tabled in Parliament each
year; so try your friendly Australian Government Publishing Service
office (Brisbane or order by phone) or Telecom for a copy.


Ian Dyson '[e-mail]'
J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Business
Northwestern University

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (John Lundgren)
Subject: Re: The Philosophy of CallerID
Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:26:42 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell Knowledge Network


Dave Levenson ([e-mail]) wrote:

> Pat writes:

>> Look at me. What do I know about anything, yet I talk all the time.
PAT]

> Which reminds me of one of my favorite movie lines:

> Dorothy: "How can you talk if you don't have a brain?"

> Scarecrow: "I don't know.  But some people without brains do an
>    awful lot of talking."

Man, you hit the nail on the head with that one.

I was reading about Pat's cigarette 'habit' a few posts back, and I
just watched 20/20's piece about people being addicted to caffiene.
They used a more acceptable name for it: dependency syndrome, or
something like that.  Reminds me of the lady that lived in my
apartments when I was manager.

She had to go on permanent disability a few years before she retired.
She had emphysema, but she still smoked.  One time she forgot and lit
up with the oxygen tubes still in her nose.  Have you ever seen what
happens to a fire when it's exposed to pure oxygen?  Well, she learned
that she couldn't do _that_ anymore.

She was dependent on the oxygen, and if she wanted to go anywhere she
had to drag along the portable unit, so she often just didn't go.  One
time she asked me to get her a pack of cigarettes from the store.  I
said that I didn't want to contribute to her emphysema problem by
buying her them.  She went off in a huff, saying that she would never
ask me to buy her cigarettes again.  Fine, I said.

The next day, she asked if I would go to the store for her, for guess
what.

A few years later, the next door neighbor found her on the floor, face
down, cold and stiff.  No doubt, the smoking contributed to her
shortened life.

Cigarettes are indeed a powerful addiction.  BTW, one of the people
that
they showed on 20/20 was a lady addicted to Mountain Dew.


John Lundgren - Elec Tech - Info Tech Svcs
Rancho Santiago Community College District
17th St. at Bristol \ Santa Ana, CA 92706
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[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note:  Mountain Dew?  Mountain Dew???  Do you
remember that obnoxious commercial on television a few years ago where
the ignorant hillbilly stands up and shouts, "Yah hoo!!!  Moun-tain
Dew!"
I can't believe anyone would be addicted to that.  Really?    PAT]

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